26 October 2009

How parents and society propagate attitudes that promote domestic violence ?

Reading about domestic violence at IHM, and solilo's blog set me thinking. -

A friend who finished her MBA in Bajaj in 1993 told me she did not have the guts to marry a man she loved. If the man physically abuses me whom will I turn to ? what would happen if I get divorced. Who will look after the kids ?. A topper all throughout school and and at college, socially popular who became a pharmaceutical executive and travelled, imbibed attitudes and values from home, school, and society. Stops you to think !?

Why did she think that a man can get physically violent at her ? After all she was well qualified to stand on her feet and could walk out any time if confronted with a violent situation. Is it more so to do with her mental make up which was formed of existing culture and social upbringing , where she was scared to stand alone in society, even when she was financially very well independent? It takes a village to raise a human being , goes the wisdom.

In India, in the villages where still courts and family courts have not been heard, panchayat, a group of village elders, formed mostly of men decide several matters of the village and some of them bring family matters to them. Some of the men are wise, some are biased, some prejudiced, Mostly religious and thoughts and decisions taken on the basis of religious framework often quoting role models of mythological characters from the texts. Decisions some fair, some otherwise get ingrained in the minds of young boys and girls who are silent observers of these proceedings growing up in the village.

Many of us who are reading this have grown in urban areas and would wonder what is common between the rural India and the urban India which now reels under the western limelight. Growing up We have heard this from teachers, uncles, aunts, parents and grandparents who have been raised with folk tales and stories that set a context and a frame for thinking within societal accepted norms and mores which have been followed through many generations. These elders grew up in villages and they have carried these impressions with them when they migrated from the village to the town and the city where they have found work. Except for the change in location, everything has remained the same.

Moral policing in fact is enforced because they are scared that with moving to urban/semi urban areas where media resides, that they will not loose their culture and traditional attitudes. Sometimes parents have wanted to challenge these impressions, but they were afraid to stand out. Only few parents questioned and did not succumb to social pressure. And a handful impart and encourage attitudes in their children that helps them to grow as a logical, reasoning, thinking human being.

Many Parents are scared, that they would become a topic for community gossip, hence conform. Some might allow their children to wear western clothing and be educated in elite colleges, but at home, there is a circle drawn – where they were forced to stand inside and obey. Some of the questions are not entertained nor discussed. That is how the culture was, is and will remain. Our parents have followed it and so will you.” is a very popular tone heard in many houses.

Wealthy parents even threaten their sons that they would not be recipients of inheritance if they walk away from tradition. Parents also want to be accepted and recognized in society and not to be known as having a daughter who is disobedient ( Read: She knows what she wants and can go get it). People who raise questions are often subject of community ridicule and snubbed “here comes the social reformer.”

India is slowly emerging out of these villages, but in urban, semi-urban areas these take the form of social pressure, accepted norms, mores , societies and still work just like in the rural areas, except it is now happening in towns and cities. The same attitude, where they have no place for women and a place for men.

Mother to a 9 year old daughter, Please put back the toys after playing. And put back your brothers toys too. Set the table for dinner.
Mother to a 9 year old son, Wash your hands and sit at the table. Your sister will bring you hot rotis.


Mother to a 10 year old daughter, one day you will get married and you will have your own house.
Mother to a 10 year old son,- this is your house .


Mother to a 11 year old daughter, One day you will have a job, you will get married and your salary will be your husbands.
Mother to a 11 year old son, One day you will have a job, and you can spend the money the way you want.


Mother to a 12 year old daughter, You are getting older, you must not play with boys.
Mother to a 12 year old son, it is 5 o’ clock. Go and play it is Good for your bones.

Mother to a daughter who is 13, So what if the boy bullied you on the play ground. They are boys, they will shout, they will tease. You are a girl. Shut your mouth. Pretend not to hear and walk away.
Mother to a son who is 13, This is the age to play, and have fun, play your heart out .


Mother to a daughter who is 14, Wash your clothes and your brothers too before you sit to do your homework.
Mother to a son who is 14, Focus on your school work, you have to take the entrance and get a seat in an engineering or medical college.

Mother to a daughter who is 15, Do your homework . Come back to help me make dinner after you are done. And then go back and study some more. These days if you study well and get a good job, we will have to give less dowry.

Mother to a son who is 17, It is okay to go around with girls, have fun, it is your age.
Mother to a daughter who is 17. Don’t look at any boy in the eye. You will marry whom we tell you to.. don’t ask too many questions. I said so.

Mother to a daughter who turned 18 , You will marry whom we pick as your husband. In marriage a compromise must be arrived. Obey your husband. If you do not listen to him, he might get angry, he might raise a hand, but don’t hit back. Whatever happens you will not come back. That’s your husband’s house and you will listen to all the rules of the house. There are some traditions in our family, where the married daughter is not called. So don’t feel bad. It has been a tradition that has been in our family and it would continue.

Mother to a daughter, I give what I earn to your father. If your husband asks for your salary, give it to him. You are now married. Your money is his money too.
Mother to a Son, Be careful with your money. Young girls these days overspend their salaries. So you have to keep an eye on her .

A Brother to a sister, Can you wash my clothes please? I need that for work tomorrow. In any case, you will have to wash your husband’s clothes after you get married. So start practicing now . The earlier the better. It is better to have an attitude of servitude and avoid confrontations and frustrations. That’s the recipe of a happy marriage.

I don’t want my child to be obedient, writes smitha

24 comments:

Sraboney said...

In all human societies, values and social norms of the society exert an enormous influence on individual behaviour because all humans crave and strive for approval and acceptance by their peers...This need to be accepted often dominates individual behaviour even when it is in conflict with personal preferences...An example of this behaviour is your friend's hesitance to do what she wanted...She wanted to marry the man she loved but this personal preference was over powered by societal norms and her desire for approval...

A good culture is one which is dynamic, which changes with time...

Solilo said...

The social conditioning you mentioned in second part of your post is root cause of domestic abuses in many cultures esp. Eastern culture.

The most important reason still is Power. Because in American society I have seen parents bringing up their children with equality and still we see so many abuses. The reason here is the abuses children witness as a child and the impact on them (the points I mentioned in NGI-DV post).

I have left some links on IHM's blog about DV in upper crust society. Often we see and hear DV in lower strata of society because they howl, scream, beat up each other and create a scene. Most women are working class and they don't care to walk out on abusive husbands. It is shocking that women working and non-working from upper strata don't show the same guts. Mostly because they have to care about society, status and financial independence. These women also think that their children need both set of parents so puts up with DV.

Vinod_Sharma said...

An, all that you have said happened a generation or two back in some families and is happening in some even now. As Bones says, enormous pressure/influence is exerted by peers because everyone wants to conform to existing norms.

Today, in some sections of society in urban India, there is unbelievable peer pressure on girls not yet in their teens to get a guy and get laid. After 20 years who knows where society will be?

Discrimination between girls and boys should end, but will take time to be eradicated completely, if at all. I can see the difference in the manner many modern and liberated women worry about their growing daughters but not sons.

Happy Kitten said...

Agree with Vinod.. the times are changing. .for the good or bad....

today's youngsters know what they want.. and it is time the elders changed accordingly.. traditions are good but not if it is regressive..

Having a 12 & 13 year old, I am thankful that I did not go through any of those situations mentioned by you.. nd my daughter is quick to retort if I ever ask her to do a task which can very well be done by her younger brother.. but then I do admit that I am protective of my daughter since this country requires it...

but then how prepared they are for the society is what is to be seen....

Anrosh said...

What i wrote was what i saw growing up in the suburbs of bombay. my parents are ultra conservative and i went through everything that is said .As my younger brother one day said, "you fought for everything, from what to wear to going out and even to go to a college that they opposed, and when i left bombay for work " - there was mahabharat enacted all along - my friends did that to. All kinds of abuses were heaped in baskets and it still continues. I stopped that with my own family and parents who will ignite sparks.

Smitha said...

You are so right, Anrosh! The whole domestic violence aspect in our society stems out of the attitude that you have described here! It is the woman who has to 'adjust', 'compromise' and live with what they get - because they are the women!

You know, I personally know people who already stereotype their little boys mis-behaviour like hitting and bullying others by saying, 'Boys will be boys', while their daughters are expected to maintain dignity and be 'cultured' in every way. They teach the boys to hit others because, 'I don't want my son to be beaten by any other child'! What is the possibility that this child will grow up thinking that it is alright to bully?

I was writing a post very similar to this - but you have said it all so so so much better!

manju said...

The community people live in, places a lot of pressure on parents, sometimes.

I live in a very cosmopolitan area of Mumbai. People from several communities stay in our building.

There is a Muslim family-friends of ours- with children the same ages as ours. They moved from the area they earlier lived in- with mainly Muslim residents- to this area when their children were small.

The parents wanted their children to have the freedom to study the courses and pursue the professions they wanted.

They told us this would have been impossible- paarticularly for the daughter- because of community pressure.

Anrosh said...

sraboney - you said it.

vinod, things are still going on in middle class families and upper class families. you may be talking of 1% of the population.

sols -

happy kitten - lucky you.

smitha, if the parents encourage bulliness, it will continue. boys used to bully us. when girls gave back - verbally or physically some boys step back and then there is this competition who will win on the playground - i had to fight for myself - my parents would discourage, but then i could not get being beaten and come back.

you know what the surprising part is very good friends who are boys would stand back and encourage me.
boys are scared too you know.

manju, a friend of mine who visited from india almost had a similar story to tell. but lucky are those children who have liberated parents.

imagine kids who have to challenge a parents decision. but i say if you have to challenge, please do so - tomorrow your kids will thank you for being courageous and younger siblings will follow the older one - she did it, so i want to. it was a very common thing in my house

Uncommon Sense said...

you are just generalising everything...

and regarding that mba girl, may be her father was violent or in the past her boyfriend was...

Solilo said...

An, the space next to 'sols' is blank. :)

BK Chowla said...

We have to accept that times have changed.What will happen few years down the line ...well???

indianhomemaker said...

I have seen this happen Anrosh, and also seen the terrible results sometimes - a daughter who has no courage to stand up for herself, and a son who's totally irresponsible, and cares for nobody in some cases not even the mother.

Not that it gives the kids a very happy future. We all benefit from happy, healthy relationships and from learning to get along...

The saddest part is it's the parents who do this, when if they wish they can teach the children to be responsible, confident, self assured, happy adults.

And it's really sad that an MBA graduate feels she will not be able to manage on her own, in case there's a problem... but I have hard this argument often, I think girls are threatened and it is impressed into their psyche that they need to be protected all their lives... !! :(

I have seen it has nothing to do with education or even economic independence, it's simply a matter of confidence, strength of character and attitude. Helpless looking domestic helpers also show courage and even doctors sometimes fail to see that there's no hope in cases of DV. And that is what the mother in the example you have given is taking away from her daughter :( The amazing thing is Anrosh that despite all these odds women are still doing quite well for themselves!

Vivek Patwardhan said...

Very thought provoking. The MBA friend was acting out of fear, not hope! I used to think that DV happened mostly in slums till I saw it happen in some of the housing societies where typical middle class families stay.

And on treating girl child diffrently, one sees that everywhere though there is greater awareness. I have consciously avoided differential treatement except when my daughter wanted to come home late. I have rarely found it easy to allow it. I guess love as well as fear are at work there.

Liked your blog. Will visit again,

Vivek

kochuthresiamma p .j said...

i'd have thought that such mother to daughter advice died with my generation - atleast in urban, educated middle class india.hangovers will be there, butthings are changing-in urban india, i mean.

Anrosh said...

uncommon sense : what i wrote was the prevalent conditioning that happens in at least a large percentage of the population. i didn't say it was the rule - there are exceptions, divergences etc etc, otherwise you wouldn't have seen me even writing this piece, chill.

sols :)

chowla saheb, every generation can take care of itself - don't you think. people who thinks out of the box have always survived. so there is always hope - onward, forward ..

hello vivek - welcome.

hi kpj - this mother and the daughter is still alive, - why do you think the " roccys " that i have written still exist in the country ?

Antarman said...

All the examples are true and that happened with my generation, but me who was brought up like this never ever made any difference in the gender..my son and daughter both are equally well qualified, both earn well have chosen their partners themselves and living their life the way they want to, and same I see happening around me in all my friends and relatives...today its the choice of the child about how much they want to study or do housework.

Anrosh said...

antarman , may your tribe increase,

"today its the choice of the child about how much they want to study or do housework " -- ! ?

Madhu | INDImag.com said...

Anrosh,
Followed you back from your comment on INDImag.

It is just plain wrong to deny a basic right to one offspring when the same gets accorded sans any questions to the other of the opposite gender. We in India deify women and demonize them. Treating them as humans who have the same rights as males is something that eludes even the best -- Mr. Big B's interview wherein he said thus of Aishwarya's career "Woh Abhishek decide karega ..". Just like he decided the career of Jaya ?

I'm speaking out for a cousin who is in a bad marriage (fortunately no violence, but the guy is a moron..) and I get called the 'fool in America' who thinks he can revolutionize India. Add ageing parents and 2 kids into the mix and at 35 the woman's life is done per these elders -- educated executives of PSUs and MNCs...

Nita said...

Anrosh this is the first time on your blog and it was good to be greeted with this nice post!
I am surprised though that this woman thought negatively. Sure there are lot of men who are abusive, but why should she think she will land up with one? It never even occurred to me! There are enough men out there who are absolutely normal, at least in some sections of society.

Anrosh said...

madhu, those parents might be educated , but are they enlightened ? Do they have a critical consciousness, an awareness ? Or are there egos's bloated with all their cubicle brillance

Yes Nita, may be it is her surroundings that played on her ?and she had friends who belonged to upper echelons of society who were seperated because of abusive relationships.

Santosh said...

One can argue, parents and society are at fault(which they are), or one can argue it's your friend's _irrational_ fears (given her education) that might contribute too and create problems of their own. The truth as always lies somewhere in between.

It comes down to what people __choose__ to believe. I don't see a difference between the choice your parents made and your friend made. They both seem to have made bad choices.

You have made a choice of your own; to highlight the choices your parents made and ignore the one made by your friend. I don't blame you for your bias given the background, just wanted to point it out.

What you are inadvertently doing is providing your friend with justifications for her choices which are wrong regardless the reasons, just as your parents choices were wrong regardless of how they ended up developing them.

It's a well written piece especially the end, but you are the contradiction to you own argument. You ended up alright didn't you? You choose to fight it your friend didn't.

Antarman said...

I wanted to say that today nobody asks the daughters to do house work or forbids sons to do..today its a choice..you want to do it, then do otherwise not whether daughter or son.

Mavin said...

Well said!!

Old prejudices die hard. Similarly the culture in which one grew up does influence a person's thought and creates impressions which forcefully impact life.

If these impressions were positive and reinforcing then the person gets into a positive spiral and can live a fulfilling life.

However, if these impressions were negative or violent or "toxic" then the person can be a wreck or can be a beast wrecking other lives.

Any such incident, therefore, has to be taken in context. The conversation written by you is a reality and does take place in many homes. Happily though many families are getting out of this trap.

Social evolution or impact of education...choose what you feel is right.

Georg said...

Bonjour Anrosh,

It might be interesting to figure out who is winning let's say in 20 or 30 years from now: galloping demographics bringing India to 2 billion of citizen or the western wind of change that started with the enlightenment, the fabulous 17th century.

I don't think you can have both. Time will tell.

Georg

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